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Old 05-22-2016, 07:50 AM   #1
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Exceeding my gvwr

After weighing my truck and trailer i figured out I will be exceeding the gvwr for my truck when my 5er is hooked up.

Thing is, I'm preparing for a 6000 mile trip from Alaska to North Carolina. Not a whole lot I can do about it now but just gonna take it easy and go nice and slow. I am in no hurry.

I guess if things get ****ty along the way I'll have to trade the truck in and get a drw.
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Old 05-22-2016, 08:09 AM   #2
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Old 05-22-2016, 09:30 AM   #3
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Are you over any other specs like you tire load ratings or you axle ratings? I don't tow over GVWR since I like the safety margin but some believe the axle ratings are holy grail of weights never to be exceeded and make sure you are within your tire ratings.
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Old 05-22-2016, 11:52 AM   #4
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You don't say how much you are over on the truck GVWR but you could consider moving some of the cargo to the rear of the trailer which would help with the pin weight or are you talking about GCWR?
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Old 05-22-2016, 12:38 PM   #5
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Well I don't know exactly how much my pin weight is. Trailer will be about 12,500 for the trip. %25 of that is 3125 pounds for pin weight. That would be high end. My gvwr is 10,000 pounds. The truck with full fuel and hitch installed is 8000 lbs. Add two adults plus two small children plus pin weight I'd say I'm well over.

I've had this setup for 2 years with no issues but we've only done short driving. My gawr for rear is 6200 lbs. I believe my tire rating is 3200 lb per tire. I was thinking about getting new tires anyway.
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Old 05-22-2016, 12:43 PM   #6
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gcwr is 25,000 lbs so I'm good there. Gtwr is 16,000 lbs so I'm good there as well.
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Old 05-22-2016, 02:39 PM   #7
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Pin weight is just nice to know at this point.

What you need is go to the CAT scales and get three weights the way you are going to travel. You should have three weights - front wheels - rear wheels - 5er wheels. Make sure all your passengers are in the truck and everything you will have in the truck for the trip and 5er is there.

Add the trucks front and rear wheels together and that should be less than 10,000 lbs (GVWR)

Look at just the rear tires weight on the truck and that should be less than max axle weights which I believe is 6100 lbs but it is listed on your trucks door jam. If over this is one there is no question you are way over weighted for trip from Alaska to North Carolina.

Add all three weight together and that should be less than you GCWR of your truck.

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Old 05-22-2016, 07:06 PM   #8
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I have the same set up and have been on the car scale 3 different times , with full walter and the harley I was 60 lbs over on the axles. I know with 50 gallon fuel full Im over. Get load levers air bags. You have the most advanced TV on the road. The Duramax and Allison are grate. Set you monitor for transmission. I rarely get to 170 Degrees with the Allason and use your exhaust brake and keep it under 65 and enjoy. I worried more about the trailer tires . I got st G raided sailum tires.
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Old 05-22-2016, 09:28 PM   #9
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Thanks for the info. I was going to try and get everything weighed before I leave. I've been towing the rig like this for 2 years like I said and no issues but they have been short trips.

I'm thinking about stopping in anchorage and getting new tires all around. That is my biggest concern. Other than that I think it'll tow just fine. I'll keep everyone posted. Any more comments I'd love to hear them. Thanks again.
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Old 05-23-2016, 07:37 AM   #10
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Wow! You got off easy.

You might consider carrying two spares. The frost heave repairs can be a little hard on tires.

I've seen rigs parked overnight at Fast Freddies parking lot in Tok, and you need to plan a night at Liard River on the way down.

Have a great trip!
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Old 05-23-2016, 09:59 AM   #11
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Only you can determine what is acceptable for you. If you are over on the RAWR I think you're placing yourself in a poor position for success. A few pounds over on GVWR is one thing, exceeding rear axle or tire/wheel ratings is a real problem IMO.
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Old 05-23-2016, 12:41 PM   #12
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I Haven't weighted empty but I feel more overloaded empty on the drive axles then loaded. If you get over 12 k on the trailer you would need all your holding tanks full and the garage packed . I'm consistently at 10500 lbs on the trailer axles with around 30 gallons of water, The 311 is really well balanced and claims 16000 GVW. I'm not into DRWV for getting around but there definitely safer, If you went to a 1 ton SRW your would have the document for 1000 lbs Pay load. I cant see the SRW 1 ton being any safer.
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Old 05-23-2016, 01:24 PM   #13
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You're about to head out on a very long trip with loved ones. So from just a safety perspective let's look at a couple of things:

Your truck weighs 8000lbs (I would say at least). It hasn't been scaled but for arguments sake let's figure your weight split is 4500frt/3500 rear. Your pin weight will be north of 3000lbs - figure 3200. 3200 + 3500 = 6700 lbs. You said your gawr is 6200 = (500lbs) overweight (obviously these are hypothetical numbers). You said your gvw is 10000 lbs. so 8000 lbs for truck + 3200 lbs for pin = 11,200 lbs or 1200 lbs over on gvw. Lots of bouncing, rough roads so those numbers are going to fly all over the place.

Lot's of folks take these things lightly, and, most of the time nothing happens, BUT, if it does, and something terrible happens to your family or another family due to you being overweight, the person responsible for whatever tragedy might happen will be looking at you in the mirror every day.

I'm not trying to be harsh or judgemental. These are the things I think about and the things I thought about, before upgrading my truck. The chances of something horrible happening to me was probably miniscule, but on the other hand, if something terrible had happened to someone because I knowingly fudged something, I don't know that I could have recovered mentally or emotionally. It's one thing to be blindsided by something; it's quite something else to take a chance to "see what happens". We only get one go round and there simply is no reason to try to cut it short by taking short cuts.

Again, I don't mean to sound harsh; just trying to focus on the most important factors regarding your decisions and trip.

I wish you the best regardless of what you do and hope you and yours have a wonderful time.
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Old 05-23-2016, 01:31 PM   #14
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Many years ago when I had a 1996 f250 7.3 engine. I got a camper, had a smaller boat than now. The vehicle towed, drove great. After several trips I weighted in at the nearby ODOT scales. My rear tries were over their gross weight ratings. I have a family and some value. I thought about what could happen since in my job that is what I see, what could happen. I went to the tire shop and got better tries that than gave me the weight rating for that load and more. On current truck the tires are rated at max at 3740 lbs each more than I need, not under for the same reason, safety. Think about your tires max rating and go above that. Now think about the heat and higher psi they get when traveling, now add to that the vehicle shifting. As to a tire hits a bump, when it comes down from that bump, how much more weight is pushed into the tire at that moment 100 lbs? or more ?. How much more weight goes onto a front tire when braking as the vehicle weight is shifted. How much more weight even as going down a steep hill and braking at 55 mph. Those question's I cannot answer but, I do not want to start with any tire I know that is overloaded.
Edit: I do not see the last post before I started mine. Looks like we are saying almost the same thing. I also am not attempting to be mean or be little anyone, just safe.
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I do not want to take this lightly at all. I'm going to try to keep the trailer around 12000 pounds so not exactly sure what my pin weight will be. Says it should be 15%-25% of trailer weight so between 1800 and 3000 pounds.

im starting to think I should trade in the truck.
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I Haven't weighted empty but I feel more overloaded empty on the drive axles then loaded. If you get over 12 k on the trailer you would need all your holding tanks full and the garage packed . I'm consistently at 10500 lbs on the trailer axles with around 30 gallons of water, The 311 is really well balanced and claims 16000 GVW. I'm not into DRWV for getting around but there definitely safer, If you went to a 1 ton SRW your would have the document for 1000 lbs Pay load. I cant see the SRW 1 ton being any safer.
You are at 10500 on the trailer axles with it hooked up to the truck? When I weighed the truck alone is was 8k and when hooked up the total was 20k. So trailer weighs about 12k with all tanks empty except for 1/2 tank of gas in the trailer and still had a few hundred pounds of gear.
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I do not want to take this lightly at all. I'm going to try to keep the trailer around 12000 pounds so not exactly sure what my pin weight will be. Says it should be 15%-25% of trailer weight so between 1800 and 3000 pounds.

im starting to think I should trade in the truck.
Listed dry pin weight for that trailer is 2780 lbs and it will go up considerably. 1800 lbs isn't in the ballpark from what I've seen.

Also understand that things that happen from overloaded axles/wheels aren't like a blowout; a wheel/spindle/axle that breaks under duress will immediately put your vehicle and the trailer in catastrophic circumstances along with you, your family and any other unfortunate soul that happens to be in your proximity.
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You are at 10500 on the trailer axles with it hooked up to the truck? When I weighed the truck alone is was 8k and when hooked up the total was 20k. So trailer weighs about 12k with all tanks empty except for 1/2 tank of gas in the trailer and still had a few hundred pounds of gear.
It doesn't work that way because your transferring 2780 lbs to the tow vehicle. I loaded my Quad , Harley and 110 gallons of water for Quartzsite looking at my cat weight I was 22580 GW . trailer axle was 11100 , drive axle 6440 , steer axle 5040. 11,480. 1400 over on the truck. I also had 86 gal of diesel. I haven't figured how i'm under the steer axle and and 200 over the drive but 1400 lbs over the truck weight. I just replied to myself. Sorry
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I do not want to take this lightly at all. I'm going to try to keep the trailer around 12000 pounds so not exactly sure what my pin weight will be. Says it should be 15%-25% of trailer weight so between 1800 and 3000 pounds.

im starting to think I should trade in the truck.
Dry weight of your trailer is listed at 11.640 lbs. 12,000 won't be in the picture for a traveling trailer. Carrying load is listed at 4860 lbs = 16,500lbs, which is what you have to go by. Roadglide posted how far overweight he is; yours will be close, probably more. Operating at that level puts you and everyone else at risk. No one knows when "fate" decides to put those that push it.....to the test. At that point saying "I thought I could make it one more time", "it wasn't that much", "I didn't think it would happen to me", "everyone else does it", "I did it last week", all that means squat - particularly in front of a jury about to put you in prison for knowingly running overweight after wiping out a family. In your case all they have to do is look at the legally posted numbers for your truck and trailer....and, it gets ugly.
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Dry weight of your trailer is listed at 11.640 lbs. 12,000 won't be in the picture for a traveling trailer. Carrying load is listed at 4860 lbs = 16,500lbs, which is what you have to go by. Roadglide posted how far overweight he is; yours will be close, probably more. Operating at that level puts you and everyone else at risk. No one knows when "fate" decides to put those that push it.....to the test. At that point saying "I thought I could make it one more time", "it wasn't that much", "I didn't think it would happen to me", "everyone else does it", "I did it last week", all that means squat - particularly in front of a jury about to put you in prison for knowingly running overweight after wiping out a family. In your case all they have to do is look at the legally posted numbers for your truck and trailer....and, it gets ugly.
Sourdough what is your TV? I'm under the impression your not familiar with the modern diesel vehicle or your tv is a diesel and your pulling a small trailer. I'm a member of the duramax forums and know that the duramax is grossly under rated . The sticker on the TV is there for safety requirements and tax purpose.
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